A Podcast with Kelly and Ross and Nick #125 - On Tap

A Podcast with Ross and Nick

Kelly Thompson (of the world renowned 3 Chicks Podcast) teams up with Ross and Nick to talk about how fans treat ongoing / continuous / on tap properties.

What kinds of properties, you ask? Franchises like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, X-Men, Wonder Woman, and more.

Compelling conversation awaits! Learn the thrilling answers to questions like:

  • Is Kelly excited for Avengers vs. X-Men?
  • Does Ross care if Michael Bay turns the TMNT into aliens?
  • And why is Nick such an asshole?

Finally, after the end theme, Ross gets bummed out while looking at Chris Stevens's marker art.

12 Responses to “A Podcast with Kelly and Ross and Nick #125 - On Tap”


  1. 1 nick marino

    I was re-listening to this episode and really enjoying it right up until the part where Kelly and I start arguing about Avengers vs. X-Men. Our argument bummed me out and I had to turn it off :{

  2. 2 nick marino

    Okay, I just finished Avengers vs. X-Men #1 and there are a few things I wanna mention about it:

    - It's $3.99 for 34 pages w/ no ads.
    - Purchasing the print issue gets you a free digital copy of the comic.
    - The free digital copy of the comic also includes Infinite Comics #1.
    - Infinite Comics #1 is fucking awesome.
    - All total, the whole is equivalent to about 50 pages of story for $3.99.
    - Plus, that doesn't include Marvel's behind-the-scenes Augmented Reality digital feature (which I haven't tried yet).
    - Wow.

    EDIT: I just tried out the Augmented Reality app. Holy shit. It's fantastic!

  3. 3 Brandon!

    Ahhhhh sorry Nick I didn't even see the Tweet that was you guys asking for questions for the podcast. I only made the mention to Ross since I I saw the tweet about the topic. I'm just dropp'in the ball here... dropp'in the ball. ;)

    I'd say I'm fairly fanatical about the Megaman Universe, although I'm fairly open to the many directions and interpretations and don't get mad often when I don't like something they do cuz I know there will be a new version a new game or squeal where they will try something new. I did buy a 3DS for MM Legends 3 and they CANCELLED IT!!! ARRRRG!!!

    Did you guys see the spotlight on deviant art talking about the TMNT and this stuff about Mass Effect 3? Should fans be allowed to alter the course of stories they are emotionally and monatarily invested in? That might be a good follow up topic. The link isn't working for me right now maybe you guys can find it on deviantART.

    Ross have you tried the Coppic markers? Also isn't there a blending marker that makes it look more smooth or some shit?

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  5. 4 Jason A

    Wow. Bamfs actually have a little history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamf

    And I think it was kinda interesting that Kelly brings Conan into the on-tap property discussion. Because until about ten years ago you couldn't really get the original Howard stories without the heavy DeCamp/Carter edits. And the character is still most well known by the Schwarzenegger "John Milnus and Oliver Stone hate hippies" movie. Which is a horrible take on the Conan character and acts as an impediment to spreading love for Howard's writing (which *does* have its own problems). So you have like, 40+ years where the original content wasn't available.

    I'm not sure that makes any sense outside of my thinking, but I think it's the extreme example of why fans can get touchy about someone coming along and "ruining" the thing they love.

    And I think the TMNT controversy is genuinely less about the "aliens" thing, and much more about "Michael Bay saying stupid shit" thing.

    . . . And I've lost any sense of direction with that train of thought. Just:

    Nick, please never change. You're awesome!

  6. 5 ross

    i still can't think of anything i'd flip out over. i'd only care in the same way Kelly cares about Whedon being shut out of Buffy, like if they made a new Riddick movie without Vin Diesel but he was cool with it i'd accept it, but if they made a new one and fired him or screwed him over in some other way, or screwed over the director David Twohy, i would totally be against the movie and refuse to see it. but that's not quite the same thing, it's not about people "changing" things about the characters or property, so i don't know.

    i'm disowning this episode.

    @Brandon: i did see that TMNT/Transformers link, yeah! i didn't read the whole thing, i skimmed it and didn't go back to read it in depth after i read the conclusion of the article, which was some bullshit platitude like "true talent and vision will win out." definitely a cool topic though.

  7. 6 nick marino

    @Brandon. S'all good! You know I'm just razzing you about the tweet thing. You're always awesome about interacting with us and I appreciate it so much :)

    That totally sucks about the MML3 thing! I would be SOOOOOO pissed if that happened. I mean, I was pissed when my MvC3 pre-order showed up three weeks late... I can't imagine how pissy I'd be if it never got made.

    @Jason: THX!!!!! I can't promise to never ever change, like I might go through some sort of unexpected cocoon metamorphosis and evolve into the next level of sentient human existence or something stupid like that... but I promise to do my best to prevent it.

    Interesting stuff about Conan and the original text. I had no knowledge about that.

    Now that you link to the Wiki BAMFs article, I remember the old stuff, like the issue when Kitty makes up the fairy tale (which, for the record, I hated!!). And I vaguely remember the stuff about the BAMFs actually existing in another dimension... I must have just missed the part when Beast said what happened in the new issues.

    @Ross: Sorry you hate this episode :{

    I think it turned out pretty good!!!

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  9. 7 ross

    i've been thinking more about how to explain that one concept i couldn't articulate, and i was going to bring up the Buffy movie versus the Buffy TV show again but i either forgot or was INTERRUPTED BY NICK AGAIN. so okay, the example i wanted to use with Buffy, is that it's unusual because the property started out as a fairly high-profile movie that nobody liked and it became an on-tap fandom type thing once the TV show came along. it's sort of the reverse of how a lot of these type of properties tend to go, where they end up or culminate as a movie where things are changed and fans are upset. but with Buffy, since the movie came first and society at large doesn't remember it, nobody cares. nobody cares because the movie isn't the newest thing, it's not the newest iteration and is therefore "defunct" in terms of Buffy as a whole, the movie isn't defining anything about Buffy culturally-speaking.

    so i think with the TMNT thing it's sort of like that. people are upset about the new movie because it's the newest thing and will somehow define TMNT either in society at large or in fandom. but if the first TMNT movie had changed their origin to being aliens or changed some other thing in a perceived negative way, and then TMNT still went on to spawn other movies and comics, people wouldn't care about the first Alien TMNT crappy movie because it's being "contradicted" or made defunct by the things that have come after it. it's like fans are obsessed with the timelines of these properties, like it constantly has to be both new and good to be valid and relevant, it can't exist in a static state.

    i think i remember Kelly bringing up something like this in the episode, where this phenomenon ties into how a property is perceived by society at large or how it shapes new fans coming into the fandom, but i feel like it's some kind of cultural validation thing: where the fans whether they realize it or not are actually not worried about how a new movie, take the Alien Turtles thing again, will affect the existing property, but how the property is seen by the average person outside of the fandom or society at large, and by extension how that cultural perception makes the fans see themselves, which i think is something you brought up too, Nick. it's like a fan of the original TMNT comics feeling disgruntled when they say they like TMNT, but another person assumes the fan is a fan of the cartoon and not the comic. which could happen with Buffy if there was a new movie, Kelly would go "i like Buffy" and the average person would go "oh yeah, that new movie, i saw that!" so in some way the newest iteration of the property begins to redefine things. so maybe that's a lot of where the on-tap/continuous franchise property mentality comes from.

    it also kind of ties into the "more real" thing i used to talk about a lot, where something higher profile is "more real" than something low profile. like say the new TMNT movie was instead some low profile, low budget, maybe independent thing like the first TMNT movie was or even direct-to-video, i bet hardly anyone would give a shit. but since the actual new movie is super high profile, news is covering it everywhere, it's Michael Bay, it's all very visible and penetrated culture and media, people are threatened by it because the visibility of it threatens to redefine TMNT on a cultural level and thereby redefine the identities of the fans in the sociocultural landscape. WHEW.

  10. 8 nick marino

    @Ross: I understand what you're saying better now after your latest comment, but I'm not sure if I can relate to your experience. I sorta see what you're talking about sometimes, in particular online when it comes to people complaining about stories, especially movies.

    But I also think that comic book fans are very particular AND very loyal to stories that they love. Most of the comics fans I know will say things like "I love the X-Men. They're great. Although I don't really like what they're doing right now." I guess that applies to just about every franchise I can think of in comics.

    For example, I know lots of people that have tons of love for Claremont or Morrison's work, and to them that means the franchise is good, regardless of what's currently being produced.

    Maybe that's because of the sheer number of stories that get told in comics, maybe it's because the medium as a form of entertainment is more of a niche so it attracts more dedicated participants... I dunno.

    I also encounter the same thing with people's taste in animation, I feel like people will say they love the Batman cartoons regardless of what's being produced now. It's like the modern iterations don't even phase them -- only their favorite stories matter. At least among people I know.

    So while I sorta see what you mean, in particular with TMNT movies, I don't feel like the notion of the new iteration dictating a franchise's reputation is something I encounter as often as you do.

  11. 9 ross

    @nick: i'm not just talking about specific people i know personally who are like this, just the phenomenon i see online or in the news or hear people talking about at conventions or the comic store or large amounts of people flipping out on twitter. and you can't deny there's been a huge outrage over the new TMNT stuff or that there have been people who have been saying this or that "raped my childhood" or whatever for decades.

    i'm not saying i'm right about all this, it's just my theory about it based on behavior i witness or how i may have felt more possessive about things when i was younger. i should've also mentioned that this sentiment i'm witnessing is seems to be usually temporary, too, once the offending movie or whatever comes out and time has passed, people don't seem to care that much anymore or at all. people seem to react the same way about movie remakes, too, like when something, in their eyes, somehow suppresses or overshadows the original work.

    or even properties that are really similar to each other like Hunger Games and Battle Royale, and this is one i can cite a personal experience with other than twitter trending topics or people on deviantart: just today at the comic store a guy i know there had gotten the new Battle Royale blu ray and he discovered a pull quote on the case that was like "if you liked Hunger Games, Battle Royale laid the groundwork!" or something like that, and his feathers seemed ruffled by this because Hunger Games, due to its high profile, has definitely overshadowed Battle Royale to some degree. and the "yeah well Battle Royale came first, HG is a rip-off" elitists seem to be coming out of the woodwork lately, but why do they really care?

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  13. 10 Kelly

    Wow. Took me forever to get through this one.

    I'm with Ross...I disown this episode.

    Great topic, but we didn't execute it well and we all sound grouchy and Nick keeps having add...or something.

    A million sadfaces.

  14. 11 nick marino

    Chest hair.

  15. 12 ross

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